Please please please SA Rugby, do not end the hopes of another one of your greatest talents by playing him in the wrong position! All too often in the past, South Africa has been blessed with a wealth of great young rugby talent. But when these players step up from high school and are now playing provincial rugby, the coaches and administration start to think about playing them out of position. In some circumstances, there are players who can play in multiple positions and thus it is a challenge to find the best position for that player and as a result that ‘star’ player turns into a flop all because they could not find his best position.
I will give an example of Brent Russell. He had a wealth of talent from playing 7′s to the 15 man game but they never found his best position and always chopped and changed him until he vapoured out of the Springbok setup. More recently there is Frans Steyn who can virtually play anywhere in the backline but no one has really made up their mind where best he should play.
Now we have Nick Koster. Great young talent who has shined as a loose forward. He even got a call up at the end of last year to play for the Barbarians. Nick is only 19 years old but with bags of talent and he is set to play a staring role for the Stormers in the Super 14. Some may say he is a bit too young at 19 but with his talent I believe he can play. But my concern now arises from the speculation that he could be played at wing for the Stormers! Now how does a loose forward become a winger? He may have the pace, the size and skills to be a winger but the young man rose to stardom by being a loose forward so leave him there! I guess for now this is all just speculation and we will have to wait and see where Rassie uses Nick when the real rugby begins. I just hope Koster does not become another Russell or Steyn.
26 comments
Tom Humes says:
Jan 20, 2009
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Tom Humes
Guru says:
Jan 20, 2009
I am one of those that have very limited knowledge of this teenage sensation Nick Koster. From the reports I have read on the youngster, he really is something special. 103 kgs, 1,93metres tall and covers the 100m in 11 flat. I do not know about you but even I would be tempted to try the bugger in all 15 positions.
However, as you mentioned, it’s still speculation because he played a warm up game for Stormers vs Ikeys over the weekend. I’m sure common sense will prevail once the reality of the tough Super 14 sets in, come Feb 13th.
Ron says:
Jan 20, 2009
I think not a lot of us would have seen him play considering he is still a young buck but Guru you have said “I do not know about you but even I would be tempted to try the bugger in all 15 positions.”
That is the mentality chopping SA Rugby!!! And it is not only stemming from the administration but it is now filtering down to the supporters. The mind set should change about trying out players in different positions. You don’t hear Richie being tried on the wing or Sivivatu at flyhalf
Guru says:
Jan 20, 2009
LOL…..good point Ron, but I would be more concerned if this were to take place in week 9 of the S14. At the moment you would be surprised at where some of these players find themselves playing. Besides, Nick is still 19, I am sure the coaches feel that he is young enough to enable them to try our a few combinations.
I must say that I do envy Rassie though, he has Schalk,Puke Watson,Duanne Vermulen, Louw and AJ Venter as loose forward options. Now he has brought in the Tongan 7′s player who can play fullback, center and wing meaning he has Jean,Bobo,Fetafehi, Naqelevuki,Koster,Janties,Montgomery to state but a few, who can play in the backline.
Chief, be very scared, beware the Storm!!
Ron says:
Jan 20, 2009
Guru, I recall you starting off your rugby career as a prop and not to mention you have been the only prop I have seen who kicked for posts! You then made the transition to loose forward and that is where you ended your career. Now that transition from prop to loose forward was in high school. Now you were a great loose forward so imagine you now playing provincial rugby and you asked to play on the wing. My point is, let is play around with a players position during high school, the moment he has finished high school we should know his position and groom him in that position. And there are some transitions or positional changes which can make sense especially within the forwards and amongst the backs but not taking a forward to play in the backline!
Guru says:
Jan 20, 2009
I take your point, moving someone from 8th man to wing is a bit extreme. But I really cannot argue this point because my knowledge of Nick Koster is very limited. Rassie is one coach i have great respect for and I know he would never pull off such a move unless there is something he sees. He obviously knows more than we do. As I said eralier, my only knowledge of the boy is from rugby articles. I hear you, but I know a coach of Rassie’s stature would never pull off such a move if there wasn’t something special he sees. I have attached a link that you should read, it shows how much Rassie respects this young talent.
http://www.supersport.co.za/rugby/article.aspx?headline=Stormers%20to%20spring%20surprises?&id=284279
Manny says:
Jan 20, 2009
I haven’t seen this lad play, but given this controversy I cannot wait to see him play for Stormers. SA rugby has definitely killed many careers by mismanagement of the raw talent that is available. As Ron said, Brent Russel is a classic example. Right now we have a player whom I think is very good in Frans Steyn being played in every position in the backline, and I do think it will affect his game negatively. A player needs to know where he is playing and start mastering that position. You can’t be a jack of all trades at this level!
My thinking is that Rassie, and the Boks actually, have a lot more option in the loose forwards than at wing. In my view, the number 14 position is still up for grabs for the Lions Tour…..maybe Koster is being groomed for that jersey.
Ron says:
Jan 21, 2009
I agree with Manny that the Bok number 14 is up for grabs and anyone who seriously wants that jursey this year can get it. Maybe that is the thinking in having Koster move to wing. As has been stated, Rassie should know what he is doing, only time will tell. But I still do not see how a loose forward can become a winger. Having been a winger for a large part of my career, there is just that ‘something’ you need as a winger which can not be taught or coached and I doubt Koster has it or else he would have been a winger earlier in his career.
Odie says:
Jan 21, 2009
Ron. Why in your view is the bok number 14 jersey available this year? Is JP retiring? What about his performace for the boks in 2008 dissatisfied you?
Odie says:
Jan 21, 2009
Oh you meant Stormers. Well I don’t care about them.
Ron says:
Jan 21, 2009
Odie, I am actually referring to the Bok number 14. I hear you about JP but lets not forget the shocker if a start to 2008 he had. He could not even deliver for the Sharks let alone the Boks. he came good at the end of last year and he will start this year as the favourite for the 14 but what if he starts 09 the way he started 08. I do not feel JP is consistant enough to make the number 14 his own and this I say the jursey is up for grabs by whoever is serious about getting it.
Odie says:
Jan 22, 2009
Ron. I completely disagree with you. If there is a wing jersey up for grabs its Habana’s. Talk about inconsistent. You mention JP struggled at the begining of 2008. Well so did most of the boks. Fourie du Preez, Victor Matfield, etc. But JP got his form back and fired. Habana is still off the pace and so is Fourie du Preez. Matfield was a horror story even at the trinations. So no. I see that you are trying to make space for your glory boy Nick Koster by force, then make room fairly, take out Habana. You don;t get to keep your good old faithfulls who are off the pace. Now. I am looking to see what the fuss with this Koster is about, and be warned. The more you journo’s increase the hype, the more pressure your new favourite is going to be under. I am already sharpening by tongue.
Ron says:
Jan 22, 2009
I hear you Odie about Habana and yes he had a terrible 2008 but I do not see PDV having the balls to drop him. Truth be told, Habana should have been dropped for the end of year tour as he was way out of form but ODV stuck to him and I can bet you he will stick with him again this season. There are just some players in the Bok setup who will never be dropped, your Habanas and Matfields.
Please do not get me wrong, Nick Koster is not my glory boy at all! I have barely seen this kid play and I am just working off what I have heard about him. As I mentioned in the original post I do not even see why they moving this guy to the wing from a loose forward.
Kambas says:
Jan 22, 2009
i have to agree with ron. you win world cups by sticking with your players through the good and the bad times. Yes Habana had it rough last year but he has shown his consistency far much longer than JP has. i would drop JP anyday over Habana. why? haban can make things happen, whereas JP waits for things to happen. Habana’s defence even when having an off season, is still upto the level of the springboks, whereas JP’s is not and with him it is a matter of hoping the opposing team doesn’t attack via his wing.
Fact of the matter is this, the 14 jersey is up for grabs but 11 is not, based off of value towards going the distance (distance is the world cup) Habana’s standard of play is set extremely high and even at mediocre is is still a better choice than JP. Chavanga, has no chance injury plagued, Nokwe, defence is poor and doesn’t have that extra something to make things happen. Ndugane, maybe, but i still think he is weak on the high ball, kicking (as all our wings are) and defence.
the boks need wings, but koster is not the answer. if you are going to move from being a loosie then the perfect fit for you in the backline would have to be outside centre and rassie is correct, now would be the correct time for him to do that as you have to take into consideration running lines and skills and the vision required of the backline player.
but like all of us don’t know an awful lot about the youngster.
happy new year boys. glad to be back blogging.
Ron says:
Jan 22, 2009
Great to have you back Kambas. I think we should all just wait and see what this Koster guy is all about. I see he is not even starting this Sunday in the Stormers warm-up game so we will see when he comes off the bench what position he plays.
I rolled back the years Kambas when you said that the best move for a loosie into the backline would be to outside centre. I recall in 1997 when the legendary Pete Sapsied moved you from flank to outside centre in an experiment which did not last very long! It still amazes me that you played hooker, lock, flank and 8th man at high school level then at varsity level you were a flyhalf and wing!! If anyone can comment of different positions in rugby, it is you!
Odie says:
Jan 22, 2009
Kambas. You wouldn’t have your precious WC trophy if JP didn’t save the boks’ backside in that Tonga game in 2007! I’ll look up some stats. If there was ever a overated player, its Habana! I’m sick of people making excuses for him and him having this everlasting place, whether he plays badly or not. I have no idea if this Nick Koster is anything to get excited about, but it’s it sad that in SA we let our young talent warm benches for years, while the older ones rot on the park. Why did Duminy for example have to wait 18 months for his chance at test cricket? And then I still have to hear people saying Stephan Terblanche should be the number 1 fullback for the boks? What!!!! Here is how it should work. The best team on the day should take the park. The best. Not the most beloved players. The best players.
Guru says:
Jan 22, 2009
Quite an interesting debate brewing here, may I please add my fair share.
Firstly, I think we have lost the plot the moment we start questioning certain players simply because of a dip in form. Gents, Brian Habana is partly the reason why the boks have their WC trophy, the Bulls have their S14 trophy and the reason why Jake White’s record is what it is today. Please note, i said partly the reason why, because no single player can win without teammates. However, my point is this, Brian Habana is a player of class and his record and stats prove it for themselves. Yes, his form dipped but so does the form of EVERY rugby player. May i remind you of a few wrold class players that had a dip in form in 2008, Richie McCaw, Victor Matfield, Fourie Du Preez, Joe Rocococo…I could go on and on. Please do not put Brian Haban in the same class as JP Peterson. Yes JP is a very good player, but how can anyone compare the 2?
There are certain players that are so good that they can be allowed to dip in form and yet their all round play is still good enough for them to make the team. Kambas hit the nail on the head, in my opinion, Brian Habana can go a whole season without scoring a single try, but his overall contribution in defence and in team phyche would more than make up for it.
In conclusion, based on consistency of selection, I would never drop JP and Brian simply because there is no time for games. Gents, the British Lions are on their way and the boks’ record in the last 10 games is not looking healthy, there is no time to even think of Nick Koster playing in the 14 green and gold jumper. The next time the boks play will be against the British Lions, unless both players have lost an eye and are on cruches, I would not replace either one of Brian Habana or JP Peterson.
Ron says:
Jan 22, 2009
I’ll take the blindside on this one… Does this whole issue of not dropping certain players cause a problem? If I am Habana and I know I will never be dropped, I will get comfortable and know that even if I have a poor run I will still be in the team so why push myself even more? I am not saying that that is what Habana does but players need to be kept on their toes and dropped once in a while so they see what life is like on the bench and that will get them to come back stronger. So if JP or Habana has a poor Super 14 and Lions are coming up, don’t pick them to play against the Lions, rather pick the two inform wingers from the Super 14!
Manny says:
Jan 22, 2009
I guess the old cliche of “form is temporary but class is permanent” may be appropriate here. The simple difference between JP and Habana, in my opinion, is that Habana has shown he has class, quite frankly I don’t think JP has shown that at all. I really think the Boks are still looking for class in that number 14 jersey, which is why I threw in my own left field comment that maybe Rassie had seen an opportunity to groom somebody with class to play at 14 for the Stormers, and ultimately the Boks.
Now this is where the question of dropping “class” players comes in. It is always very difficult to drop a classy player, even if he is out of form for the simple reason that you know he could decide to snap out of his rut in the very game you decided to drop him! If we were coaches, we would not be reluctant to drop players like Umaga, Carter, McCaw, Gregan, Larkham, Wilkinson even if they had a dip in form? I know I would…these players are proven class. A lesser player who experiences the same dip in form is likely to be dropped without hesitation, and I think JP falls into this latter category. IF…IF JP has a shocker against the Lions in game 1 and Koster (if he were to be picked at 14 in the Bok squad) were on the bench, I would bet my bottom dollar Koster would start in game 2. If Habana has a shocker….well…better luck in game 2 for him!
Guru says:
Jan 22, 2009
Manny for President, I am in full agreement. Form is temporary and class is permanent. Case closed for me.
Odie says:
Jan 23, 2009
Manny. That little cliche is the exact reason why the Blue Bulls had such a shocker at the beginning of their 2008 Super 14. People were romantic about the abilities of Fourie du Preez, his skill and captaining abilities, but it all flopped badly. I think the Crusaders, Blues and Hurricanes managed to shave 50 points off the Bulls, and all Fourie kept saying is that he doesn’t like the elvs. Habana was vrot, Matfield was terrible when he joined, and Fourie was a nightmare too. Poor Ludeke kept saying that he had no idea what was wrong because at that stage, that team had about 10 of “Jake’s Springboks” including your, Petrie Wannenbergs and Wynand Olivier’s, and Danie Rossouw’s. At the moment Fourie has to worry about whether or not he gets a start for the Boks, (Ricky and Ruan). Butch was rightly left out for the Northen Hemisphere tours when even he realized he was not up to snuff, and look how great Ruan is doing now. If all the coaches and experts were stuck in their rugby rutt of “class is permanent”, you never would have seen how great Ruan can shape up and yes, with his decision making, he is making Butch look ordinary, and assuring us that the 10 jersey should never be in the hands of Frans Steyn. No player, ever, is entitled to endless opportunaties. Not in a country where we have so much talent.
Ron says:
Jan 23, 2009
I agree with Odie 110%. These so called classy players need to be dropped. Rather pick an inform team than a team with big names.
With regards to Koster, I have just been reading this morning that even Nick Mallet is in favour of seeing the young man play at wing.
Manny says:
Jan 23, 2009
I am not saying that a player can never be dropped. No, never. What I am saying is that when it comes to classy players, it makes sense to give them a chance to regain their form if they go through a rut, rather than to have a knee-jerk reaction and drop them straight away. The reason for this, as I stated, is that a classy player has already shown how good he can be.
A big problem that South African rugby has always had was giving out Bok jerseys willy-nilly to so-called “form” players, but who over time have proven to be a flash in the pan at best, example, Derick Hougaard. If the Boks were always selected on form from a handful of games, you could easily have 40+ caps each year…..30 guys picked from super 14 for the mid year games…then after currie cup another 30 “in-form players” from that competition!!! And the next year its another 30 new faces! That does not make sense. One reason why Australian rugby, and Australian sport in general, is so good is that they believe in consistency. It takes time for a player to be considered good enough to be picked for the national team. But a player is only picked if over several games the selectors have identified in that player what I am referring to as “class”. Once picked, the coach and selectors must show faith in that player because he has already demonstrated to what sort of level he can play.
Tying this in with the original point about Nick Koster, I repeat, maybe what Rassie (and according to Ron Nick Mallet) see in Koster is that he may prove to be a winger of class i.e. over several games he will on average perform to a very high standard. And to me JP does not, over a long spell of games, produce performances that are of a high enough calibre to make that number 14 jersey his own. That means the 14 jersey is up for grabs, and maybe Rassie, Mallet and others are aiming to groom young Koster for that right wing position.
Ron says:
Jan 23, 2009
I will bring up a point about Koster, they are saying that there is just too much competition for the guy at Stormers on the loose forward position so they would rather push him out to the wing where there is relatively not much competition at Stormer and Bok level. So this move of Koster to the wing is a forced one in my opinion simply because they do not think he is good enough to take the positions of the current loosies at Stormers. I feel they are just trying to make a plan to find somewhere for this guy to play and thus they have opted for the wing and in my view this is a bad move.
Odie says:
Jan 23, 2009
I am reserving judgment until I actually see was the fuss with Koster is about. He did not set my world on fire during the barbarians match in December 2008 at all. Before we start tearing an in form JP Petersen’s jersey off his back, can we see what he can do first? Let’s see if he deserves the Stormers 14 jersey, before we run off and hand him the boks one.
Odie says:
Jan 23, 2009
was = what